Sunday, October 7, 2012


All have sinned and allowing God's Word to speak on this subject should not be seen as hateful. To avoid the truth of the matter would not be showing concern for those in danger of God's righteous judgement. Proverbs 1:7/ Jn.8:32
1 Pet.2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.
YHVH doesn't force us to embrace Him or His Word. We have the choice to embrace Life or Death. There are effects for our actions and the state of our hearts. There are conditions and standards that are met before recieving either curses or blessings.
We are all acountable for ourselves, and Woe to any who seek to blame God for anything (Jer.23:39-40).

James 1:13-15
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

___Roots of Homosexuality___
Intro: To grasp the meat of what is about to follow some may have need of understanding some basics about the biblical earth ages.

* Matt.19:12 can be understood in many layers depending on how its applied.
(KJV) " For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

The word eunuch in its most basic form is to mention one who doesn't take part in natural mating for whatever the reason (good or bad) /celibate, impotence, ... It does Not mean homosexual, however a homosexual could be seen as a eunuch, as well as one who chooses to refrain from (natural) sexual affection, and one who physically becomes celibate either buy surgery or injury or choice.
Eunuch G#2135- 1) an emasculated man 2) One naturally incapacitated (a) for marriage (b) begetting children (celibate) 3) refraining from natural sexual bonds for one reason or the other (injury, surgery, sexual immorality). (Note homosexuals don’t have such bonds.)

Many defensive homosexuals use the claim: "I was born this way, i didnt choose to be this way".
If Matt.19:12 says some can be born gay can we exspect a second witness? Also why would some be born gay?

______Born Gay?_______
* Rom.1:18-32 *******************
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness (2Thess.2:10-12/ Titus 1:16/ ); Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened (Jude1:4). Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves (Is.55:7): Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient (Deut.22:5); Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding (Is.44:18), covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

(I Suggest "earth ages" study)
Side note: This second witness gives Great detail! After understanding that we (spiritually) came from The Father and are in the same image as The Elohim. That there was a rebellion in heaven when lucifer instead of being one of two protectors of the mercy seat (authority in the Word) sat in it claiming to be worthy (instead of /anti/ Christ). Many embraced this rebellion and chose not to stand Firm with YHVH and instead played the game of the desolator. The destruction of the first earth age followed and thus all spirits were to be born of water (woman) into the flesh effected by both good and bad after the serpent introduced this fruit to them. (Again The Earth Ages study will document this to those new to it).
You will also need to understand that wind (breath) represents spirit and that we have two defacto "bodies" a unseen spirit body-image- and a flesh (physical) body. (Gen.2:7/ Jn.3:8/ 1 Cor.15:38,40,42,44/ 2 Cor.5:7-10/ Ecc.12:6-7/ Ps.104:29/ Phil.3:21..)

So here in Rom.1 we see mention that these rebellious Spirits once knew all that God (El Shaddai) has made manifest (were members of Elohim- devine judgement- incudes the angels (The Son's of God / spirits/ hosts of heaven- spirit realm- 1st earth age). Yet these spirits embraced straying from God to worship the "creature" (Note: YHVH created lucifer). The Word states that those who are homosexuals are that way Because in spirit they are (were) rebellious towards YHVH for even when the truth is given to them they have (had) no love for it. When God be known unto them they glorify Him not. Rom.1:18, 19, 20, 21,22, 24,25,26,27,28. So individuals recieve homosexual lusts as a reflection of the state of their rebellious hearts. Thus they Did choose to be this way (un-natural affection).

Rom.1:20 "From the creation of the world"/ Jude 1:4 (aions)

Job 38:3-7 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (angels/ spirits) shouted for joy?
(They knew God Rom.1:21 strong>1st earth age -aion/ Then were given unclean lusts <current 2nd earth age.)

Homosexuality is a sin (abomination Lev.18:22) with need of Repentance and the blood of the lamb (2 Pet.3:9). It is Not the unpardonable sin (1 Cor.6:11), however can be compared to it. Not to embrace the sacrifice which covers sin and to rebuke The Spirit of Truth (The Holy Spirit/ Ruach HaKodesh) will be unpardonable in due time (at judgement). This is exactly what these spirits did in Rom.1 for the mercy seat is the Throne of Messiah at the right hand of the LORD our God and they worshiped the creature instead of The Creator when they had the truth. (Eze.28:14-19/ Is.14:12-14)/ If you don't embrace God you don't recieve God's mercy (Grace). If you seek death you will find it!

Cultures and surroundings (molestation, rape, jail...) also play a role in this subject. In the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah such rebellious ways had become a part of the culture (norm). Kids in the area had accepted this as a way of the land (Gen.19:4). Thus these societies suffered the wrath of God (2 Pet.2:6). Sadly today modern societies around the world are embracing the homosexual lifestyle more than at any other time in history.
Deut.23:17-18 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
"Dog" Hebrew #3611/ keleb- male prostitute/ title of degradation

1 Thess.4:3-5
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

1 Cor.6:9,10,11Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (G#733 arsenokoites- sodomite), Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
(Lk.6:37/ Matt.7:1-14) (Col.3:1-11)


During days of the priestly order (Deut.17:9) the earthly punishment for homosexual activity was the death penalty
Lev.20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

It should be obvious to all that the priestly order of the temple is no longer in effect. There is no temple on the mount and Messiah has fulfullied the Passover (blood) sacrifice (1 Cor.5:6-8/ Heb.2:14) which makes death pass over whomsoever is drawn to Grace by faith. However as individuals of The Many Membered Body (the church) we are still told how to respond to those who embrace these lustful ways (Lev.18:29).
(Rev.21:8/ Rev.22:15)

Disfellowship (dead to us) is the proper stance against those who embrace homosexuality today. Matt.18:15,16,17,18,19,20 <compare with> Deut.19:15,16,17,18,19,20,21; 17:2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13/
* Eph.5:3,10,11

* 1 Cor.5:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 The Church should seperate its self those embraceing fornication otherwise the church becomes perverted and begins to justify wickness. Members of the church should product themselves as the body of Christ and not one of fornication.
1 Cor.5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan (G#4567 Satanas- Accuser)for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(sometimes you have to let people hit rock bottom before they begin to look up. Lk.15:11-32/)

1 Cor.6:15-20
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1 Cor.5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

To enable one to sin is to partake of their evil deeds (2 Jn.1:10-11). One example of not enabling this sin is in the debate over "gay marriage". If you were to be invited to a "gay wedding" you would be partaking of their sin by attending. Reason being is cause they are making a vow to transgress God in the future (disreguard for repentance) and you supporting this is therefore a sin. You supporting "gay marriage" is a sin. (This isn't to say that all people shouldn't be given basic rights).
(1 Cor.7:1,2,3,4,5,6,7)

Heb.13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
(Man can justify anything within his own mind but the truth will stand when the earth is on fire!)

While we are encouraged to seperate ourselves from that which is unfruitful, and when the enemy seeks to push things on us Rebuke them with the authority of Christ, we are also not to judge anyone as being Hopeless of salvation (Matt.5:22) for that is the opposite of our calling of sharing the good news (out of concern for all/ Edification) and the time for commiting the unpardonable sin has yet to come.
We have to leave some hope towards salvation (REPENTANCE) open to homosexuals cause Christ died for all, for all have sinned. However in no way should we make way for the homosexual agenda in the name of love and or tolerance. Those practicing discipline over transgression may seek support and in the body and may they find it.
Those who understand the 1st and 2nd resurrection and 1st and 2nd death know the Final Judgement clearly comes at the End of the LORD's day (the Great White Throne Judgement) and few will take part in the 1st resurrection. Those who take part in the 2nd resurrection find victory after being free from lusts of the flesh and the temptation of the devil for 1,000 yrs (1day) while being preached to by the elect. As for me, I would rather take part in the 1st ressurection =) (More Info)..(more).

Lust has Nothing to do with LOVE. God is Love. You can love someone without being sexually attracted to them. You can be physically attracted to someone without loving them. So to seek to use "love" to justify homosexuality just defies logic. We are to be known by our fruits for what is in our hearts will show in our actions. (Gal.5:16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25)
2 Tim.2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2 Cor. 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Is.55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

There are gendar roles.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. _______________________________________
Rev.3:19- As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
God knows our hearts. Currently there are those who have the Spirit of slumber for a good reason for to know better and commit a transgression is far worse than one who commits the same not knowing better. Thus some currently have the spirit of slumber for they would transgress if the knew better for they embrace earthly ways and rebellion inwardly (they are neither interested or willing /ready/ Some have to learn everything the hard way).
We have both a flesh body and a spirit body (1 Cor.15:44), which do you feed more?(Rom.10:17 / Matt.4:4). God knows! Jn.6:44
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Matthew 11:24 (*Matt.10:15)
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
These places and people being spoken to have recieved the truth and repented not. Sodom didn't recieve such truths (the gospel) and thus their punishment wouldn't be of the same torment as those who knew better.
(Matt.15:19-20/ Acts 15:20)
To any living in sin, REPENTANCE is the BEGINNING of overcoming in Yeshua haMashiach. after repentance, Yeshua has done his part and now its your responcibility to go forward in his character (Name) striving against sin and embraceing an ongoing relationship with YHVH. If this isn't your priority then so be it

Yeshua defined Marriage as being between a man and a woman Matt.19:5 as well as every example in the Word and every context.

1 Jn.2: 15-20
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

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