Ex.34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
(A covenant was being made with the people of Israel, The LAW was being given, by which if people transgressed they would recieve effects for such throughout the generations. God is still a God of Law today and Messiah came not to do away with the Law but rather to fulfill it. He came stressing the need of Repentance. The need of repentance is true for individuals as well as a nation as a whole both recieve effects for starying from God. If you live in a home where rebellion against God is encouraged and accepted to carry that iniquity until you are drawn of God and repent..)
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children
"My People" - Hebrew # 5971 (Plural)
From H6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively a flock: - folk, men, nation, people.
___________________"Thy children" - Hebrew #1121:
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
(While ben most properly means physical child we see here that it also has the figurative relation to ones nation. Israel was blessed as long as they were to keep God 1st. So relation to Physical Israel here holds up as well, for this who was choosen to be a Nation of "priests".)
Lam.5:7 Our fathers have sinned, and are not; and we have borne their iniquities.
"borne" - Hebrew # 5445
saw-bal'A primitive root; to carry (literally or figuratively), or (reflexively) be burdensome; specifically to be gravid: - bear, be a burden, carry, strong to labour
Lam.5 is speaking of the people/nation of Israel. As the people transgressed the people recieved the effects. This passage is showing The people seeking to return (Teshuva/ REPENT) to The LORD!
What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
In those days they shall say no more, "The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge." But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
_________To Each His Own__________
The Word has been clear that each pay for their transgression wheather it be the individual or a nation(people). Blood is the atonement for sin (The Blood of a blemish free lamb). This was demonstrated to Israel during the first Passover which is fulfilled in Yeshua HaMoashiach (Jesus the Christ) Heb.2:14/ 1 Cor.5:6-8.
All have transgressed God's Law (which is sin), and the wage of sin is death . So we all deserve death. Only in the blood (Lev.17:11,..)of The Passover can one fulfill the Law and live. Yeshua (Jesus) did his part (fulfilled the sacrifice). Now lest YHVH draw us to His Salvation and we partake of it *(Gen.3:22/ Jn.14:6/ Is.45:21/ Jn 6:44/ Phil.2:6) there is no remission of sin.
You sail your own ship:
30And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.
35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.
(Moses had interceded for Israel Ex.32:11-14 yet here afterwards the people are back in rebelion.)
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Eze.18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze.33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Biblical Curses (Deut.28)
cursed basket, livestock, works, fever, inflamation, blight, paleness..(which shall not cease), consuming disease, ulcers, scab, itch (which wont be healed), blite, craziness, blindness, stress of heart (anxiety), another will claim ur mate, produce, land,..., scale, sore knees and legs, boils, hunger, thirst,
(Is.65:12) bow down to the slaughter (suicide), no confidence
(Deut.29:20) blotted out
Wont hear ur cries (Jer.11:14/ Ex.31:10)
"A Code of Jewish Ethics Volume 1" (Telushkin, 2006) According to Rabbi Telushkin, "the Talmud explains that visiting 'the iniquity of parents upon children' refers only to children who follow their parents' bad example." (ibid, 88)/ Talmud (Berachot 7a)
Rabbi Telushkin references Sanhedrin 27b which deals mainly with which persons are disqualified from testifying or serving as judges in matters concerning an individual. The sages cited in the gemara rationalize that children are punished for their parents' sins only when they retain their [parents] sinful practices."
Rom.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The Initial sin brought with it the effect of sin in general. Death passed upon all why? Because all have sinned. All have chosen to transgress (1 Jn.1:8-9/ Is. 64:5-6/ Ps. 14:1-3 (rom.3:20,23)). Yeshua didnt deserve physical death yet he suffered it for us. I wont be judged because of Adam's transgression I will have to account for my own sins (with the blood of Yeshua i can!).
If mankind (the hosts of heaven/ Spirits/ us) hadn't given into both the fruits of good and Evil all would have remained justified in The Spirit. (Lk.17:1). Yet we All have choosen to go astray now least we return (Teshuva/Repent) and partake of the Passover (tree of Life) we shall perish (Heb.2:14/ 1 Cor.5:6-8/ 2 Pet.3:9/ Jn 3:16).
The wage of sin is death: Rom.6:23/ Gen.2:17/ Gen.3:3/ This effect Began with Eve ("the mother of all living") and Adam.
Man being given dominon over the earth, the creation also suffers the effects of death.
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Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Upon repentance/confession unto YHVH sin is washed away and doesn't exsist. To bring it back up is to doubt the promises of God. (Is.43:25/ heb.8:12; 10:17/ 1 Jn. :9/ 2 Pet. 3:9/ Ps.51 !)
Overview: Each answers for self (own sin). THis in no way contradicts the fact that Messiah fulfilled the ATONEMENTS. Torah is a blood covenant. Passover preceeded The giving of Torah. Prior to Moses coming down from mount Israel was in rebellion. Moses made intercession(Ex.32:11-14/ Deut 9) that came with a choice ("Who is on The LORD's side") Ex.32:26/ Deut.11). The temple was cleansed by blood. The priesthood made atonement for the people annually Pointing to fulfillment in Yeshua.
While we answer for ourselves (Ex.32:33/ Eze.18:4,20/ Jer.31:30/ Gal.6:5,7/Deut.24:16...) at judgement, the only ones that stand at judgement are those who have (partake of) Atonement (that is provided by G-d as in the story of the binding of Isaac). Following the transgression in te garden it was said least they put forth their hand and partake of the tree of life and live eturnally. That is the only way to answer for yourself at judgement and live (by Atonement) thus fulfilling Torah!
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