Body of Messiah

For the spirit to interact with the physical (realm) in a physical way, a vehicle is used. For man that vehicle is flesh (Gen.1:26-27;2:7). Every spirit comes forth from God and our bodies are but temples of the spirit that is self.
1 Thess.4:3-4
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
Lev.19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the Lord your God am holy (1 Pet.1:16).

Yeshua (Jesus) HaMashiach (the Messiah) is our example of what it is to be a holy temple. Yeshua is the sinless (unspotted) lamb of God.
Jn.2:19-21
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body." (Heb.1:1-4/ Heb.2:14)


God's people make up the many membered body of Christ
Rom.12:1-5
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

The body is told NOT to have fellowship with instruments (temples) of fornication. 1 Thess 4:3-4/ 1 Cor.5:1-13/ Eph.5:3,10-11/ Heb.13:4/ (1 Cor.6:9-11/ Rev.21:8/ Rom.1:29-32/ 1 Jn.1:3-4/ Matt.5:29)

1 Cor.6 (13,18,20)
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Col.3:5-6
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Jn.15:1-15
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.:)

Rev.3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
1 Cor.11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


Lk.22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Cor.15:44-49
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Jn.3:3,6
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Also suggest blog "Born Of Water" http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/profiles/blogs/born-of-water

Disfellowship

Disfellowship
God is no respector of persons. Christianity is more than theology its a reality (way of life) to be known by ones fruits. The seal of being annointed isnt being "Nice":
Word orgin of "Nice"-

etamology- late 13c., "foolish, stupid, senseless," from O.Fr. nice "silly, foolish," from L. nescius "ignorant," lit. "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (see un-) + stem of scire "to know." "The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj." [Weekley] -- from "timid" (pre-1300);

Look for Interest when sharing the gospel(in Truth).

Rebuke is encouraged in Christianity when its called for and done out of concern (Love) for others. The enemy sets many snares in the name of "peace" and calling us to be "nice". The Word of G-d is a Sword! This is The Rock of Christianity. Christ said:

-Matt 10:34-35

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law......

Lk.16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon

World's Enemy (2 witnesses)

We are called to be set apart (sanctified). "Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."-1 Jn.3:13 /"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."- 1 Jn.2:15-17 / "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."-1Jn.4:2-6 / "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."- Jn.15:18-19 / "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."- Jn.17:14/ "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?"- Jas.4:11-12 / "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."- Matt.5:10-12 (*Eph.6:10-17)

Take up Thy Cross

False Doctrines

We are Not to have fellowship with those who reject the Word of God and raise up other doctrines, rather we are told to mark them and have no fellowship with them. The sinners and tax collectors that Yeshua Messiah had company with had Interest in The Word of God!

-2 Jn.1:10-11

"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

-Rom.16:17-19 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

-Matt.10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (...vs.15-22/ Mk.6:11)

-1 Tim.6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. (Pro.16:17)

-2 Cor.6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

(2 Cor.2:14,15,16,17,18)

-Matt.7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you

Eph.5:6-21 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Brethern

-2 Thess.3:6-7, 14-15 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

-Matt.18:15-20 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

-Matt.5:23-24 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. (Matt.7:1-2/ Deut.17:2-13;19:15-21/ Rom.14:4)

-1 Cor.10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Shama *1 Jn.2:19/* Lk.14/ *Jn.6 (vs66) Selah

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Proverbs 13:26 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
Proverbs.22:5 Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.
1 Cor.15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners

Know By Fruits (Discernment)

-Mk.9:38-40 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

Pro.22:24-25 Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

Debaters

-Titus 3:8-10 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Fornicators

-1 Thess 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication

-1 Cor.5:1-13 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

-Eph.5:3,10,11 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;/ Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord./ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

-Heb.13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

(1 Cor.6:9-11/ Rev.21:8/ Rom.1:29-32/ 1 Jn.3-4)

Seek unto Wise counsel

Pro.1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. 12:23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly 13:20 He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed. 15:14 The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness. 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge

Women Of The Bible

In the physical realm there are gendar roles but not so much in the Spiritual other than symbolizim!
When it comes to public gatherings (and a household/ 1 Cor. 11:3,8-9) it is mans responsibility to keep order. However a man that doesn't fulfill this responsibility shouldn't exspect to be respected in this sense.
Any man that would say that a woman can't serve as a source of edification and of the Word of YHVH, has little to no understanding of the Word.

We have many scriptures that speak of women playing a major role in bringing forth the truth (Word).
We have mention of 9 prophetesses at least (example- Philip the Evangelist had four virgin daughters who prophesied (Acts 21:9) (Miriam, Ex.15:20 / Deborah Judges4:4 / Huldah 2 Kings 22:14/ 2 Chron.34:22/ Prophetesses born a son Is.8:3 / Anna Luke2:36 )

A video sermon:--> prophetess <--

Note the women at the tomb (Mk.16:1 / Luke 24) . They were first to discover that Christ had resurrected and were then asked to share this info with the disciples!
Note: the woman at the well! Jn.4:39-40 She called Many to come to Christ :)

Note: Deborah (a Female judge of Israel), she was a brave a faithful judge who lead Israel into battle when no man would Judges 4:8-9 :)

El- Shaddai compares his nurchering to our exsperiance with a loving caring mother. Is.66:13 . Mary (Mother of Yahshua) physically brought forth and raised Emmanuel. She like all parents would have spoken in parable form of which Christ used to speak to the children of the Father.
Gen. 3:20 - Eve was called the mother of all living (even though through transgression came death/ through umbilical cord (Eve) to umbilical cord (Mary) came Christos (Jesus) and if you be not in christ you are not spiritually alive.

Rev.4:11

Today Many Women have been forced to take on all parenting roles! They are the ones who raise the children. Yet some men would speak down of them who not only take on the role of a woman but a man that failed to take on his own. With this being so it is obvious they (good women) play a role in sharing God's Word according to his will.
Prov.22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

The Body of Christ is the Bride of Christ!

When it came to the temple of old only men were levitical priests. Many of the duties would have called for physical strength, and also call to keep order amoung the masses in a gathering. Before Rome's infulence and somewhat during "Church" and state were one within the priesthood.

1 Cor.14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
"Keep silence" #4601
to keep silent (transitive or intransitive): - keep close (secret, silence), hold peace.
No One should chatter in service.
"Speak"- Greek #2980
A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, that is, utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.
There is to be a certain order kept when gathering together in worship (note the term Obedience, should a man also have Obedience in "church"? Of Course. If there be an open floor with interuptions such would only stunt growth, if there were many talking at the same time that too would cause distractions. Women being mentioned here is mainly because it is more in a womans nature to chatter. It covers all the bases (men and women) to those with ears to hear.
Note 'quietness' and 'silent' are the same Greek word hesuchia (like hush:). This means 'do not chatter' or 'do not gossip'. In 2 Thess.3:12 it is translated "quietness" - 'settle down'.This instruction by Paul does not forbid a woman to contribute to church duties, but is a reminder of good behaviour and manners. (Order)

Rom. 16:7 Junia here is a female disciple of Christ. Paul says she was a follower of Christ even before he was. We see the term Salute when he mentions her! "a fellow prisoner"
All members of the Many membered body are members of Christ. Anyone who wants to add status outside of scripture should be careful.

1 Tim.2:11-14

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Joel 2:28 / Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy....

---------- Recap to be "silent"-------------

Muslims (amoung others) obviously don't know what is being said when you read that women are to be "silent". Its man's responciblity to keep ORDER. Any man that would say that a woman can't serve as a source of edification and of (sharing) the Word of G-D has little to no understanding of the Word. We have many scriptures that speak of women playing a major role in bringin...g forth the truth (Word).
We have mention of 9 prophetesses at least (example- Philip the Evangelist had four virgin daughters who prophesied (Acts 21:9) (Miriam, Ex.15:20 / Deborah Judges4:4 / Huldah 2 Kings 22:14/ 2 Chron.34:22/ Prophetesses born a son Is.8:3 / Anna Luke2:36 ) We have two books named after women (Ruth & Esther). Note the women at the tomb (Mk.16:1 / Luke 24) . They were first to discover that Christ had resurrected and were then asked to share this info with the disciples!
Note: the woman at the well! Jn.4:39-40 She called Many to come to Christ ........... 1 Tim.2:9-15 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works Let the woman learn in ***silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in ***silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety...

 

"LEARN in silence", "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man"... How many muslim imam's are there?  Lets not be hipocrites allah doesnt like hipocrites! Its not a womans place to have authority Over the man.... Gen.3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee... Doesnt mean they cant share the Word of G-D they just arent to put themselves in a postion over the responciblity of a man (to keep order and execute authority within fellowship or household.).. .. 1 Cor.11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. / G-D- Christ- Man- Woman is the biblical oder of authority in social construct. vs.8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man....... 1 Cor.14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
"Keep silence" #4601 to keep silent (transitive or intransitive): - keep close (secret, silence), hold peace.

No One should chatter in service.
 "Speak"- Greek #2980

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, that is, utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.

There is to be a certain order kept when gathering together in worship (note the term Obedience, should a man also have Obedience in "church"? Of Course. If there be an open floor with interuptions such would only stunt growth, if there were many talking at the same time that too would cause distractions. Women being mentioned here is mainly because it is more in a womans nature to chatter. It covers all the bases (men and women) to those with ears to hear.
Note 'quietness' and 'silent' are the same Greek word hesuchia (like hush:). This means 'do not chatter' or 'do not gossip'. In 2 Thess.3:12 it is translated "quietness" - 'settle down'.This instruction by Paul does not forbid a woman to contribute to church duties, but is a reminder of good behaviour and manners. (Order)
Joel 2:28 / Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy.... http://youtu.be/1RaNYVRKgYw

------------Masculine and Femine -----

In the scriptures we have use of femine and masculine attributes. While in the flesh we have gendar roles. The type gendar roles are our bases for femine and masculine in relation to the spiritual attributes described in the Bible.
Jn.16:13 "Howbeit  when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
Here we see such gendar spacific terms s "he" and "himself" but in all actuality the Greek can be translated as he/ she/ OR it. "he" ekeinos - that one (or [neuter] thing); often intensified by the article prefixed: - he, it, the other (same), selfsame, that (same, very), X their, X them, they, this, those..... / "Himself"- heautou- (Including all the other cases); from a reflexive pronoun otherwise obsolete and the genitive (dative or accusative) of G846; him (her, it, them, also [in conjunction with the personal pronoun of the other persons] my, thy, our, your) -self (-selves), etc.: - alone, her (own, -self), (he) himself, his (own), itself, one (to) another, our (thine) own (-selves), + that she had, their (own, own selves), (of) them (-selves), they, thyself, you, your (own, own conceits, own selves, -selves)
The Holy Spirit can be seen in the femine. Another name for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. In Proverbs 8 wisdom speaks and is in the femine. That doesnt make it a phy "woman". It doesnt mean two seperate enties (gods) got together to form Messiah. Messiah is the means (right hand of G-D) by which G-D creates. Aleph and Tav/ Alpha and Omega.
YHVH himself describes Himself in femine attributes as well. Abraham knew not the sacrid name but rather used El Shaddai (which means breasted one from Shad H#7699) and Is.66:13 mentions how YHVH will comfort like a mother (which some say he does via the Holy Spirit). Yeshua described himself in femine attributes Matt 23:37.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"
Is.66:13 " As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem."
Another name for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. In Proverbs 8 wisdom speaks and is in the femine.

Matt 1:8 in relation to conception of the Holy Spirit it says his Mother Mary (femine in relation to the physical man Yeshua) and She was found with child , concieved of the Holy Spirit so in this particular mention is the Holy Spirit described in the femine or the masculine? Mary was mentioned in the femine and then we have mention of the Holy Spirit
Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.,20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

"Pre. Trib. Rapture" deception

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Where do ALL scriptures agree on the subject of our Gathering back to Christ? (Documentation is the focuss)/ Today we have (deceptive) doctrines on the subject/ example: the "pre. trib. rapture" deception.
______________-OUTLINE-Intro_____________________No one will miss the 2nd Advent. No where in scripture can one document such a thing! You Can document that All will be changed at the 7th trumpet. You can document that the anti-christ comes (1st/next) before the return of the True Christ .The Anti will come (with) in (a false) Peace(Apostacy- same message as "pre trib rapture"). Christ comes Not to send Peace /but rather a sword (sword of truth/judgement). Christ comes without Observation.The anti comes With Observation. Ones Spirit does Not go into the ground at Physical death. All will shed the flesh at the 7th trumpet (The antichrist shall come while man is yet flesh) God is against those who teach people to fly to save their souls (Eze.13:20)! The two candlesticks and olivetrees will be here during the tribulation (of the antichrist). The one who stays in the field working is blessed.The way we overcome the tribulation is by the Seal of God where others have the mark of the beast. Those with the Seal of God will have a job to do during the tribulation.
Those void of the seal of God bare the Mark of the beast and will embrace the anti, the substance they seek shall come in the form of the apostacy (deception of false peace/falling away). This is why family members will deliver family members unto death -The devil (Heb.2:14)- they believe the antichrist is Christ come to rapture them out of here for they arent aware the kingdom (king and his domain) are within his people. This is why some will be impregnated by the lies, and giving suck (nurseing along the deception through their fruits- false teachings and (evil) works of the enemy (Lk.21:23)).
There is a first and second resurrection and a first and second death. We can't force spiritual maturity on another out of concern. At the beginning of the Lord's day all will shed the flesh (7th trumpet) in an instant. (First death) All will be in the spirit realm. The First fruits will take part in the first resurrection, those who dont take part in the first resuurection (at the beginning of the Lord's day) will either take part in the second death or the second resurrection (at the end of the Lord's day). The final judgement takes place at the End of the Lord's day (Great White throne of Judgement) not before the Lord's Day, The tares and wheat grow together but notice which is harvested First (out of season!). The Lord's day is a time of discipline for those who dont take part in the first resurrection. ALL THIS IS BIBLICAL - and we will exspose that the "pre trib rapture" Theory is NOT BIBLICAL and God speaks AGAINST it often.
(The saviour says if you dont take up your cross and follow him you are not worthy of him. Just uttering a name doesn't give one victory (Matt.7:21-23), its all about your personal Relationship and walk with The LORD. Thinking your gonna fly away when the tough gets going is wishful thinking and ignores scripture and the trials of God's people throughout scripture.)
I think all agree there is a seperation of the wicked and the good at harvest. God isn't mad at his people. God's elect, the remnant have a job to do during the time of the anti (to allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them when delivered before the synagogue of Satan), These are the sealed (armed). Those In good standing as Messiah returns will Not suffer his wrath (tribulation of Christ) but rather will take part in the first resurrection.
*(Gen.18:23-25/ Deut.1:16-17;32:4/ Ps.58:11) 1 Chronicles 16:22 (Ps.105:15)

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Man consists of both a Spirit and flesh (Gen.2:7, 1 Cor.15:35-58, 2 Cor.5:7-10, Ecc.12:6-7, Jn.16:28) Hebrew term for Soul is to say a living breathing thing and is different than the term for spirit which is that breath of life which is liked unto the wind. The spirit in context is a soul before it is ever placed into flesh but at that point the flesh becomes a soul (living breathing thing), thus soul sleep can speak of either the Physical (1st) death Or Spiritual (2nd) death. these points are layed out in the blog where are the dead.
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At physical death the Spirit enters into the Spirit realm and the flesh returns to dust (physical grave-"hell").
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-Ecc.12:6-7 / Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
-2 Cor.5:7-10/ (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
-Heb.9:27- And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: / No such thing as reincarnation- ceasing to exsist and then re-exsisting. (There are two types of Soul sleep /1st death/ physical death /2nd death/ spiritual death- Documented in "where are the dead" blog)
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At the last trumpet all shed the flesh. 1 Cor.15:50-53. You wont have need of the corruptible flesh ever again.
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All souls are God's to do with whatsoever he will (Ez.18:4)
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After the tribulation All will see Christ coming. Matt.24:29-31
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We get a discription of The Spirit Realmin
The Parable of the rich man and Lazarus
Lk.16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this,between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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While there is no temptation of the flesh in the spirit realm the truth is tourment to those who are not in good standing and they are seperated from those in good standing and both sides are alert spiritually. You will find that pre trib followers disreguard many scriptures yet the truth finds where they all agree! (We dont even have to mention Margret McDonald ;)
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Gathering Back
Many pre trib followers pervert the following passage and Always seem to quote starting After the subject.
　
1 Thess.4:13-18- 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (*THE SUBJECT- sleep is to say physically dead), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope /Lk.24:5/. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him (*Resurrection*). For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. /(prevent-Strong's # 5348- to be beforehand, precede-We cant precede them for they have already passed over into the spiritual realm!) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: /(7th trumpet- 1 Cor.15:52,53 ALL are changed at the coming of Messiah/ not some)/1st resurrection/(beginning of the Lord's day) Those with a relationship with the lamb take part in the first resurrection at that time!/ Those who are in good standing in the spirit realm (right side of the gulf). Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds(Clouds/Large groups/Heb.12:1 large group -of witnesses/ host of angels- Acts 1:9/ The Greek #3509 "nephos" in the lexicon- "a cloud, a large dense multitude, a throng"/), to meet the Lord in the air (#109 Greek / Rev.9:2/ Rev.16:17/ lit.from root "aemi"- to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient) Aer-air-figurative-natural breath which is liked unto the SPIRIT-Ruach, pneuma (*Jn.3:8/ Gen.2:7/..) we met him in the breath of life/Also note: Greek # 5594 note on #109 "an inanimate breeze") and so shall we (those who take part in the 1st resurrection) ever be with the Lord (1 cor.15:50). Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thess 5:1-6
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child (Matt.24:19); and they shall not escape (Jn.17:15). But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

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Again you see mention of the Spirit gathering back to YHVH (spirit realm) at physical death and at the 7th trumpet. *After this Epistle (1 Thess.), Paul seemed to show concern that some would (had begun to) misunderstand the context of that first letter in his second (2 Thess.). Thus he follows it up with Much detail!
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* 2 Thess.2 *- Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; / (Lucifer is the One already condemned to perish by name . One of his names is death Heb.2:14, Apollyon is another One of his names- Rev.9:11- The root of apollyon is Apoleia which means to Perish! (#684/#662 strongs) which is the very word translated perdition in this verse./ Eze.28:18 condemned/ Jn.17:12/ Rev.20:10/ The fallen angels have also been condemned but not by individual names like the devil. Note the Devil has many names and titles and each describe different offices and roles./
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God -( Is.14:13 / Remember Anti in the Greek means instead of (Christ) We shall document the anti will stand on the holy mount with observation and a message of peace and those of the world will embrace him.)
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (revealed to the brethren/ as if they were not gonna fly away and have no need of reading and understanding God's Word!) 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (We have a transtive verb here in vs.7 which means you can't understand who he is unless you go back to vs.3-5 where we are told who He is, the subject is Satan standing in the holy place claiming to be God, and who is holding Satan -Rev.12 /Micheal and his angels/ Michael is one of two ark angels the other Is lucifer which were to guard the mercy seat/-Eze.28:14/Rev.12:7 (Dan.10:13,21) (Dan.12:1) (Jude 1:9)). 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (Again Christ comes afterwards! The anti comes first) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (dont get much clearer than that!)10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (Be not decieved! Traditions of men make void the Word of God in ones walk/ The substance those of the world seek is coming in the form of the anti, in him they will find toerance, false peace, the ability to buy sell trade, and have health care,...Notice Satan tried to tempt Christ with earthly kingdoms and the enemy uses earthly concepts to decieve today.) 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (Apostacy- false peace/ Those who deliver their family members unto death (the Devil) do so out of lack of knowledge - they think he is Christ come to rapture them out) 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (Worldly (carnal) men vs. Spiritually Grounded) 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: (AMEN)
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The Parable of The Wheat and the Taresshows there is no "pre. trib. rapture"
Matt.13:30- Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Believers are can do people who need not fly away to aviod the tribulation. Matt.24, Mark 13, Lk.21 all speak about us being persecuted greatly in the end days -beaten, killed, cast into prision..., And Rev.6:10-11 speaks about the end days will be a time of Great martyrs for the Word. Look at the two candelsticks and olive trees (two witnesses and churches) During the tribulation. Their job is to allow the holy Spirit to speak through them and while the anti and his spiritual army which will be among us defacto are commanded not to touch God's annointed (Seal of YHVH - Eph.4:30/ Rev.7:2-3/ Rev.9:4/ 1 Chron.16:22/ Ps.105:15/ Eph.6:10-11, ),but they do and 3 days later the return of Yeshua (Rev.11)! (Those men who bare the mark will be those persecuting us leading up to that time).
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Yeshua (Jesus) comes Not with observation.
Lk.17:20-26 / vs.20 Greek word parateresis for observation shows Unpatient watching always used in a dark sense. (Used in Acts 9:24, Lk.6:7, Lk.14:1, Lk.20:20, Mk.3:2, Gal.4:10) Matt. 24:36-39, Lk.21:19, Matt.10:28, Lk.12:4-5) The proper outline is that the anti comes with this observation. When would the people not be watching or exspecting Christ? When they already embrace One as Christ!!!!!!! Those of The Word will be confident that the anti Is Christ. He (The desolator/antichrist) comes with Peace, Answers, strength, power,..... Many today want an easy way out and I often hear I can't wait, while the masses are lost and a small minority are recieveing the good news and while the elect are being grafted back together. (note:Amos.5:18/ Matt.25:1-13/Is.5:18-24/ Joel 2:1-3)
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Lk.17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. (Rev.22:7) (Noah was perpared for the tribulation and was among few who made it through it, By the Grace of God/ God isnt mad at his people. His people dont make earthly concerns their priority. Matt.10:28)

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Matt.10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (sword of truth/ Jesus speaking/ justice- The Word/ Harvest/ judge)
2 Cor.11:14 Lucifer comes disguised ("transformed")as a messenger of light (peace,truth/* Comes in peacfully and Prosperously - Dan.8:23-25;11:21,22,23,24,25,32), standing in the holy place- Jerusalem /Defiled Temple(Mk.13:14, Matt.24:15,2 Thess. 2:4, Dan.9:25-27)Positive or Negative/ State of Israel being reinstated was fulfilment of prophacy and will play a major role in end times. The captial of The Apostacy prior to the true messiah setting up the eturnal kingdom.All those who embrace a pre trib rapture doctrine will flock to the anti and fall away. Rabinical Jews that seek a new physical temple will embrace the anti as Messiah. non believers will embrace the anti for his great signs, wonders, and authority. Only the Sealed of God will see him as an ABOMINATION.
The "temple Institute" has a crown awaiting the new temple in which they can be heard saying that the high priest that wears it will represent God: http://youtu.be/JSKHV4-tA8w @ time 5:12-5:25 This is the role of the anti. Anti decieves all those OF the world: Rev.13:3,4,8

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One who is sealed understands **Matt.24*******(*Lk21,and *Mk.13). Lets look at a few highlights!
*Matt.24 vs.9 -Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
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vs.11)-And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (I hear them, they say any minute lol)
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vs.15)When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)/ Armagedon/ Mark 13(:14,17), Dan. 9(:25-27) we see that the gathering place will be Jerusalem. Megiddo means "the gathering place of the crowd"/ "MO'ED" (or MOGAD) means assembly or gathering, the "holy place" in the above verse is Jerusalum (Zion)! Nothing points at the nearby vally of Megiddo as this gathering place though I dont doubt it will see some of the traffic and perhaps some action in the battle of Gog and Magog. The above verse shows who is doing the gathering out of season! Christ comes from the east (mount of Olives) moving towards the Holy Place (the antichrist and his gathering) The nearest vally is the valley of blood. (Dan.9:27- He shall take away communion (the sacrifice/ Passover sedar / Sabbath) for he will claim to be Christ with us. It will be all about your relationship with him and anyone who isnt already in a individual relationship with Yeshua will fail to see how rediculous he is, We dont find him to be tempting but rather an abomination)
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vs.19-26 -And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (impregnated with the lies and deceptions, ideologies/ and nursing along evil works -false teaching, persecuting God's people, replaceing good with tolerance and apostacy...Mk.13:17/ Those with the mark of the beast.
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
(harvested out of season/ sabbath - rest- while sleeping ( Mk.13:26)-decieved/ flight- pheugo - run away, escape, flee/ Note, that evil one will seek to change the times: Dan.7:25/ 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (This is very important and further shows that the elect are here during the tribulation which is shortened* the math is a Blog of its own.) 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (Anti Christ before 2nd Advent) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (if it were possible, are you feeding your spirit with truth?) 25 Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. (Matt.24:30-31 Yeshua comes after the tribulation of the anti) (Matt.24:42,45-46 The faithful servant will be found watching in due season, those of the world wont cause they will be embracing another as the Christ)
Matt.24:39 (in the days of Noah it was the wicked that "knew not until the flood came, and took them away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
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Jn.17:14-19 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (1 Thess.5:2-4) (Spiritual death/ Apostacy) They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. //To be sealed with the truth is to escape the deception (great tribulation)// As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.( Lk.12:5) *Lk.17:28-30/ Lk.17:33-36/ Matt.24:39-44, rightly divide the Word which one is blessed? Days of Noah: The one with a relationship with The LORD and armed (sealed) up to the flood that carried the wicked away. Days of Lot: the one that was set apart from the ways of society thus spared when all others were destroyed.

Greek #5083 tereo ("keep") to guard, watch, keep (protect) just as Noah was protected During the tribulation of the flood and God saw him Through it.

Rev.3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" (Matt.5:5/ Ps.37:11)/ "Thy kingdom COME" (Matt.6:10)

Dan.12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (H4422), every one that shall be found written in the book./ And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (*Dan.12:11/ Dan.9:27)
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Note we see mention of the first fruits and latter harvest (1st and 2nd resuurection)
"Delivered" (Dan.12:1)-(Rev.20:4-6) 1st resurrection (beginning of Lord's day)
(Dan.12:2)-(Rev.20:12-15) final (great white throne) judgement, at the end of the Lord's day.
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The Elect have a job to do during the tribulation of the antichrist and its Not to fly away.
Lk.12:11-12/ Mk.13:11/ Matt.10:19-20/ Lk.21:13-19/*** Lk.17:20-21/ Lk.17:29-31/ Joel 2:28/ Lk.17:33/ Rev. 22:12/ Rev.11:18/ Rom.10:6-10 (Deut. 30:11-14)
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YHVH has a plan for the elect during the tribulation and those who would have you believe you are gonna fly away before this obviously are not sent forth of God with such doctrine. If we were to fly away Why would Christ tell us to watch and that he will be pleased to find his people kindeling the fire?
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The two witnesses (olive trees/ Moses and Elijah) will come with Harsh warnings. Lucifer and his spiritual army will use the spiritually dead to persecute the candelsticks (churches/ many membered body). Lucifer is told not to touch the two witnesses but when they are delivered before him The truth that speaks through them is to great for him to bear and he slays them. I see this as what ultimately shortened the time.
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1st and 2nd resurrections

1st death (physical) is to shed the corruptible (body) flesh (which grows old and is prone to sickness, disease, injury,age...) At physical death the spirit (incorruptible) body steps out of the flesh then one is able to see into the spirit realm and are now a part of it. (to put on incorruption). The incorruptible body is still able to die -mortal (2nd death) untill (unless) one takes part in one of the two resurrections. When one takes part in a resurrection through the sacrifice (God's Mercy and Grace) they put on immortality. The elect (frist fruits) will take part in the 1st Resurrection at the 7th Trumpet (and those who pass over before the 7th trumpet) Those who dont take art in the 1st resuurection will spend the Lord's day on the wrong side of the gulf. (if you can see how Ez.40- to the end of Ez. speaks about the Lord's day (The temple represents the Kingdom, The priests represent the elect) you will see that is is a time of discipline for those on the wrong side and at the end of the Lord's day they will know better ((Ez43:26)). Those who dont take part in the 1st resurrection will either take part in the 2nd resurrection or 2nd death. Some will take part in the 2nd death which is spiritual and to say to perish to be blotted out. (Rev.2:11/ Rev.20:6,14/ Rev.21:8)
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1 Cor.15:50-58Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Our Passover sacrifice) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. (the fly away doctrine on the other hand Is vanity)
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Yes all will shed the flesh at the 7th trumpet and see into the spirit realm, this is how Every Knee will bow at his coming. Blessed are those virgins who are found with oil (truth) in their lamps when he returns. LK.12:37/ (Ps.104:27/ Ps.145:15/ Matt:24:45/)Matt.16:72
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Once again spirit doesnt dwell in the grave. Lk.24:5/ Jn.14:19 the flesh sleeps and returns to dust. "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" Matt.22:32= Mk.12:27=Lk.20:38/ Thess.4:13-14
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1 Jn.2:15-17/ 1 Jn.4:2-6/ Jn.15:18-19/ Jn.17:14/ 1 Jn.3:13- Worlds enemy
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Following Satan hindering Paul , he takes time out in Athens while Timotheus goes forth to comfort the believers in their faith. 1 Thess.3:3-5 That no man should be moved (shaken) by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
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2 Cor.11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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Lk.21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Those sealed with truth are armed for tribulation/ Jn.17:14-19/ Lk.12:5)
NOTE: This is not the tribulation of the anti that is mentioned in prior verses (Lk.21:11-17). Lk.21:36 is speaking of the Wrath of God that comes on "all" those not in covenant with God at the 2nd advent. There is a seperation from those in god standing and those not in good standing at the 7th trumpet. All are changed (shed flesh at that time including the unrighteous. God's people are sealed and wont suffer the wrath of God
2 Thess.1:7-8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Rom.8:35-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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1 Cor.14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints./ Bable means confussion. Babylon is the office of confussion and sadly when people limit this to a narrow view they are not remaining very watchful. The office of confussion is working within the educational fields, economic, politics, media, entertainment, religious, ......
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Is.26:19-21(Tanakh- OT) 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (we have documented what takes place at physical death)20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers (inner most part) ( Matt.6:6), and shut thy doors about thee (action on your part/ Physical and Spiritual Discernment): hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. (1 Cor.10:21) 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (vs.14-21 we are being told that those of earthly power and ways also will be subjected to the Almighty at death and have need of the Passover, So its best to embrace a Individual relationship with YHVH now, and keep him First.)
(1 Cor.3:16)/ Lk.12:3 Our individual relationship is bigger than being apart of society (the world). Joel 2:16-17/ There is a message here to those in whom it is revealed. It's better to wait and go for the head of the snake than to be taken out by the tail. We know that the wicked one nor the locust (scropion) army are to harm the annointed ones but until they are sealed but there will be a physical force of those with the mark who are seeking attacks against them and spirits that will seek to decieve them, calling them to gather with them, At this time a Nazerite way of life is best (Nazir/ saint) Set apart one. To not conform to the ways of the world.
Souls of the martyrs- Rev.6:10-11 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? (Note these Spirits are alert after physical death and they are able to speak to The Lord.) vs.11 They are comforted and are told to wait for others to be martyred as well when they allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them! then The 6th seal is opened (6th vial, 6th Seal, 6th trumpet)
Jn.5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (There is a Physical and Spiritual death. And when it comes to the spirit /The incorruptible must put on immortality/ When we understand this, they know that in the spirit realm there is two contexts of being "spiritually dead".)
Jn.5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation./ At the 2nd Advent (beginning of the Lord's day) all have shed the flesh and are in spirit and aware of where they stand. 1st resurrection (judgement at the beginning of The Lord's Day) and 2nd ressurecttion (judgement at the end of The Lord's Day) "Graves" as used above is speaking of the Spiritual state that follows physical death, and we know that at physical death the Spirit enters the spirit realm of which is divided into two parts (parable of the rich man and Lazarus).
Yet to comunicate this to man that can not see into the spirit realm you speak in terms he does know which would be "grave". All that are in the graves= (Phy.)All that have passed away.

1 Tim. 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Rev.16:14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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Job had question that today we have answered.Job was no stranger to trials and tribulations. He had friends who would proclaim to speak in God's sted and Job presented some good honest questions. Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?
:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
Job 14:12-14 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Here Job is exspressing his depression during his tribulations. Most of his troubles being physical, he struggled to exspress how he longed for a solution to his problems. He relates the image of a dead body resting, no longer suffering, and away from physical tribulations to his request that God deliver him from these tribulations.( again -sleep meaning physical death which is eveident to man of the flesh as being differ than the physical realization of what is going on in the physical realm/ Example: Jn.11:11-14 )
The book of Ecclesiastes is wriiten to the man that walks under the sun / fleshman (It relates to physical concepts unless other wise noted)Flesh man (Physical life) is very temporary, then you are through with it. This is the subject of Ecc.9!
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun (Man doesnt have any more a portion of things taking place under the sun in the physical realm cause physical man ceases to exsist after physical death) But again we can look to (Lk.16:19-31/ Rev.6:10/ and The two with Christ on the mount of transfiguration to show that those who have passed over are alert, Yet they are free of earthly ways and concerns. We can apply this to the Spiritually dead at the great white throne of judgement though as to say when they are blotted out its as if they never exsisted and they wont be remembered, missed or even considered again. (Refferance the blog "Eturnal Punishment")
(Is.63:16/ Is.26:14/ Ecc.8:15,17/ Ecc. 1:11/ Ps.6:5/ Ps.30:9/ Ps.31:17/ Ps.88:11/ Is. 38:18-19/ Ecc.1:1-11(vanity) / Ecc.2:16 (17 vanity)/ Ecc.8:10 (vanity)/ Ecc. 12:6-8 (vanity) /Ecc.3:9/ Ps.22:29 )
The dead (physical) body knows nothing at death cause intelect, faith and Love are all descriptions of spirit which is seperated from the flesh at death!
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The devil is coming Rev.12:9/ Dan.8:25
Daniel 7:25 - And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. ( Dan. 11:36/ 1 Jn:22/ 1 Jn 4:3/ 2 Jn.1:7/ )
Matt.13:20-23 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Which of theses soils do you believe will rejoice to see the (Post trib.) Lord's day?

Jn.16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
1 Thess.5:1-11/Jn5:24-29/REv. 7:14/* Rev.20:4-6,11-15
Ez.13:18-23 God is Against those who teach his people to fly to save their souls, and to ignore God's out streched arms (His Word)!
Jn.6:44/ God knows our hearts and is more than capable of bringing whosoever he pleases out of deception. Rev.3:10/ Eph.6:10/ Ps.49:14/ Rom.10:6-10!
Mal.3:16-18 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day (the Lord's Day) when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. (those that take part in the 1st resurrection /embrace the Passover sacrifice) Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. (In The Day of accountablity, it will be clear who served the Lord and who served mammon, there will no longer be any concept of the wicked getting ahead. Ps.58:10-11/ 1 Cor.6:2/ Instruments of God are given the gift of discernment!(Ez.44:25-) Notice: back in Mal.3:14 the term ordinance came from the Hebrew # 4931 "mishmereth" (differ than the term translated "ordinances" in vs.7) and is to mention the act of watching, a sentry, guard, soilder, one at the gate, brothers keeper, duty of preservation, safty, to keep, safeguard! One may ask why does it seem the evil always get ahead, They dont and the time will come when this is obvious, and your reward is in your perserverance. The elect have oppertunities to shed light and assistance on those in need. They shall have their reward. Notice these watchers are they that will exspose the false doctrines and will even be able to discipline the lost during the Lord's day in appropriate ways.
Notice they escape Judgement..
Another example of God people sealed during tribulation: Ex.12:13
　
Lk.21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls./ Lk.21:36/ Matthew 10:32-38/
WATCH Rev.13:18/ Rev.9:4 /Jn.6:66
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2 Thess. 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesusshall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

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******** Abomination of Desolation *******

The tribulation (apostacy) of The antichrist (666) come prior to the return of Yeshua HaMashiach. 2 Thess 2:1-5



* Matt.24:15,20-24 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

²⁰But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

(harvested out of season, when one isnt paying attention or with works)

²¹For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

²²And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

²³Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

²⁴For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

* Mk.13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains

* Dan.9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate 11:31: And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days

4th beast (NWO)

Dan.7:24-28 ²⁴And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

²⁵And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

²⁶But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

²⁸Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart

Rev.13:1-7 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

²And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

³And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

⁴And they worshipped the dragonwhich gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him (it)?

⁵And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

 Rev.12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ